OpenKore is now illegal

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OpenKore is now illegal

#1 Post by Motivus »

Blizzard vs MDY: Case Information
Blizzard vs MDY: July Ruling

An excellent explanation of the ruling by a member of the Something Awful forums:
Count I - Tortious Interference
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This isn't related to the EULA at all. Tortious Interference is when one party interferes with or meddles with the business of another partym beyond a certain reasonable point.

In this case, MDY interfered with Blizzard's business by explicitly encouraging users to violate their terms of service with Blizzard. It is indicated in the judgement that MDY doesn't deny the fact that users violate their agreement, and the judge finds intent in the fact that MMOGlider actively advertises itself as a program that will help users do that.


Contributory and Vicarious Copyright Infringement (Counts II-III)
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Contributory infringement is very similar, in some ways, to Tortious Interference only instead of contract violating it is about copyright violating.

Vicarious infringement is when you profit from someone's infringement and do nothing to put a stop to the infringement.

So, the first question is, do USERS of Glider infringe copyright? If they don't, then there's no Contributory Copyright Infringing!

According to the 9th Circuit's ruling in 1993 in a case called MAI Sys. Corp. v Peak Computer Inc, copying software to RAM constitutes "copying" for purposes of section 106 of the Copyright Act. Agree with it or not, this precedent was set over a decade ago and NOT in this case. So if this copying to RAM is not allowed by an agreement or Copyright Law directly, it is considered an infringement in the 9th Circuit jurisdiction.

That's okay, because the users are entitled to this copying by the user agreement They might be breaking their user agreement, but not the copyright!

This is true, with an exception established in 1999 during Sun Microsystems v. Microsoft Corp. If the agreement is considered "limited in scope", and the user acts outside of this scope, then the copyright holder is entitled suing for infringement.

So… is the EULA limited in scope?

Yes! There are explicit parts of the agreement that state "IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE GAME." There are also a lot of other restrictions in permitted use listed in the EULA and other terms players agree to. There's more stuff about the difference between "Separate Contractual Covenenants" and "Scope of License" but that is a little difficult to easily explain. Suffice it to say, the judgement is that it is "Scope of License" and therefore, a breach of the license means that copyright is being violated.
Users copy copyrighted software into RAM, the EULA is limited in scope (violations of this scope violate copyright), the users that use Glider CLEARLY violate that agreement, so the users are violating copyright by using Glider.
Truthfully, OpenKore wouldn't get charged with the second/third counts. The first one applies to OpenKore, although I don't think that this project would be charged in court. VisualKore would get torn a new fiscal asshole, though.
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Is Visualkore even still supported? The last update for Visualkore was about 10 months ago, according to their website. By the looks of it that product seems at its past time.
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ponty wrote:Is Visualkore even still supported? The last update for Visualkore was about 10 months ago, according to their website. By the looks of it that product seems at its past time.
Yeah. Also, if he obeys the C&D order nothing bad will happen.
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#4 Post by kali »

I'm sure eAthena would get the first shoe before OpenKore does.

MDY probably got charged because they were gaining direct profit from their software.
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#5 Post by Bibian »

from what i gathered they sold it for $25 to about 10.000 or more customers... openkore is opensource and we dont make any more on it =P

oh and visualkore is dead, vcl is even too busy to even read the forums here...

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#6 Post by sli »

You guys don't keep up with this stuff, do you?

The problem came not because MMOGlider is a bot, but because MMOGlider loaded the WoW client into the memory to automate it (basically, XKore for WoW). Blizzard claimed this was a violation of their IP and copyrights (bullshit) and, coupled with him profiting from these supposed "copyright violations," the idiot judges agreed. These rulings are a horrific precedent because Blizzard is essentially attempting to legalize EULA agreements. The corollary here is that a huge amount of RO players, specifically those playing on private servers, never even see a license to begin with. Kore-RO doesn't display a license when you start the client. In fact, I haven't seen a license agreement since I quit playing beta 2. And, unfortunately for Gravity, their EULA doesn't extend to private servers, anyway. Not only that, we'd have to bot on iRO for Gravity to be able to take any real legal action against us.

This also brings up the question as to whether or not Gravity is even going to bother with it, anyway. Just look at WoW. Blizzard is a company that actually, truly cares that private servers exist, and they're STILL flourishing. Hell, WoWscape has admitted to setting up their servers as a for profit business! Not only have Gravity never done anything in the past, but that very much points to them not doing a damn thing in the future.

Short version: this doesn't affect us one bit. Even generating the field files is within the scope of fair use because nothing in the field files is actually own by Gravity. At a very basic level it's just coordinate data. (Remix a song and see how fast you don't get sued.)
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#7 Post by isieo »

read openkore's description in sourceforge

we are authorized for korero =P

we didn't say anything about official servers XD

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#8 Post by Bibian »

1 difference though sli, glider loaded WoW into its OWN memory... we inject a DLL into RO's memory to read the data coming in and to be able to send data over its connection

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#9 Post by Cozzie »

we are in the grey zone before as it is, and this is putting one foot across the line. xkore will be our biggest liability until ORC works. But then it would have it's own issues there.
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#10 Post by sli »

Bibian wrote:1 difference though sli, glider loaded WoW into its OWN memory... we inject a DLL into RO's memory to read the data coming in and to be able to send data over its connection
Trust me, that doesn't make one bit of difference. X-Kore still circumvents protection.
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