openkore.com.br situation

[5e13ct]

We're not selling anything, we will close and delete that topic about that vip area. We will remain offering support in our development and private servers area.

Suddenly a lot of users appeared here interested in helping and supporting this project. I hope you all have fun turning your words into actions instead of asking someone else to do it, unlike many other times that this situation happened with brazilian community.

Sorry iMikeLance, but those words do not match what you and Ghost say in kore.BRO as the message of the Ghost. Want to drop the project drop, the community may well stay a few days without updates, but surely it will be possible as the updates you want to or not.
"(...) Take earful from ADM while Lammer has access to svn is a joke (...)" Ghost Words.

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Desculpe, mas essas palavras não condizem com o que você e o Ghost dizem no kore.BRO, conforme a mensagem do Ghost. Quer largar o projeto largue, a comunidade pode muito bem ficar alguns dias sem atualizações, mas com certeza ela terá atualizações o quanto seja possível, você queira ou não.
"(...)Tomar bronca de ADM, enquanto tem lammer com acesso a svn é uma piada(...)"Palavras do Ghost.

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[soad5]

We're not selling anything, we will close and delete that topic about that vip area. We will remain offering support in our development and private servers area.

Suddenly a lot of users appeared here interested in helping and supporting this project. I hope you all have fun turning your words into actions instead of asking someone else to do it, unlike many other times that this situation happened with brazilian community.

In short ... is clear manipulation of the solution (fix) the bRO.

As I said in the forum BR, few have knowledge to get the FIX and those who know do not share their knowledge.
You have the Ghost, and other Fr3BR! and I? How can I find help and without you? And the rest of the community?
Disponbilizar will not fix the pro bRO? Ok, no problem. But it gets even clearer that you manipulated the BR users and yes had interest in profiting from it.

No more!

[Don Delavitto]

Well, i have quit bRO since they launched iRO classic (da best in da world ). so i am not sure if im the right person to give an opinion. But everything they said here, it is still breaking GNU license. It is true, bRO has a lot of bots, but everybidy knows it has a lot of players too, the number of bots is proportional to the amount of players, and bRO thor might be the ragnarok server with most players in the world. They have bRO odin which has way less players than thor and also it has way less bots, very few, at the point f saying the odin has no bots, so what they are saying does not apply, it only has many bots because the server also have many users.

Also from the picture i have, i believe its fair to ask a charge to acess that vip area they are planning to create, however restrain acess to the server to themselves and ask for cash to release, well then it should not be called OPENkore aint it? Either they like it or not, restrain the solution to acess in exchange for cash is against GNU. It is illegal as visual kore was, and i believe they shouldnt drag openkore name in their activities which include profit. For me its fine they charge for their solution, but at least change the name of the service, call it their tridentkore or something else.

Another point, will these users still be abble to commit to svn? I think they could continue as ordinary users of the openkore international comunity, but since some user could release a patch anytime that would break one of their sources of money, they could keep it away from being released since it could affect their bussiness. They talk about farms and zeny selling, but they sell zennys themselves. I wonder if they will limit the number of bots they use to farm in their system. Well, of course thats an opinion of someone who does not play bRO anymore, i couldve made a mistake or two, but thats the picture i had from what have been exposed so far. Its because of these situations ive moved to iRO, even the players are more polite, as for my opinions, i would rather eat a rice from klab than a filet mignon with wine served by a snake. And if i still was, id rather 1000x times they would keep the solution for themselves instead of profiting in the name of openkore. Lets not bring f3dbr and upantcho names to that mess. They both did their bests to openkore comunity. For free.

[Daedalus]

To be completely honest.

I would totally dig some kind of restriction to limit leechers, because it would totally make myself work more for the community too. Currently there is no incentive to do so, the bot is working fine for me (probably most of the people) and I have never had a problem which I couldn't solve myself. I shared parts of it unless it wasn't too small and unimportant. But looking at it as a whole, without an incentive to work more it is my deepest believe, that most people have also none to advance openkore beyond its current state, which is only the motive of a small group currently.

On the other hand, charging fees for a SOLELY personal money gain instead of a community money gain is pathetic, as well as breaking our mindset in form of the GNU license, even if it is meant to harass the people who contribute nothing and make their loans out of this project.

[iMikeLance]

Klab tem muitos Desenvolvedores interessados em aprender sobre o Openkore e ajudar a disponibilizar atualizações do BOT BRO! Neste momento tem alguem no forum da Openkore BR dizendo que quer aprender pra disbonibilizar isso Gratuitamente e o Pessoal de la (Ghost, Imike) estão boicotando o rapaz! Voce não poderia ensinalo alguns macestes para que agente tenha alguem com quem contar aqui no brasil? A equip do OpenKoreBrasil so está visando Lucro então não vejo o porque de ser uma equip inculada a voce já que voce é o grande responsavel pelo Kore e não lucro nada com isso não seria justo eles se aproveitarem de seu conhecimento para criar um setema de ganhos pra equip deles!

First of all, please use english. You're so worried about this project that you can't even read the rules.

Stop lying. When he said that in our chat that he always wanted to learn and help but needed somebody to help him first I even said that I always replied EVERY topic in our development area and that he just needed to ask anything there that I would help. If you still think that i'm wrong, please post proofs about what you're saying. Feel free to search our shoutbox archive.

Another point, will these users still be abble to commit to svn? I think they could continue as ordinary users of the openkore international comunity, but since some user could release a patch anytime that would break one of their sources of money, they could keep it away from being released since it could affect their bussiness. They talk about farms and zeny selling, but they sell zennys themselves.

What you're saying about svn doesn't make any sense, please learn about how it works.
I don't even play ragnarok, and I don't use Openkore anymore. I've been retired from everything related to Ragnarok for a while (some months) and just came back now. Don't start accusing things about someone you don't know.

I hope I don't need to come back to this topic and to this discussion area. If any of you are going to say anything about me, please be 100% sure of what you're saying.

[Don Delavitto]

I believe ive been pretty fair within my post dude. Like i said it would be ok to ask for a vip area, where you could give support for players issues etc, also sell your code whatever but change the name of the software, it is not openkore anymore.

After carefully reading the topic i also changed my mind, it is not ok to grab the code of openkore and implement a fix for the server for cash.

About svn stuff i said, you saw what klab quoted "Oh Yeah... Some bad guy removed this part from bRO.pm files without all developers permission."

Well, seams like even "not knowing" how things work, looks like my fears were not so wrong.

I did not wanned to quote it here, but since you are so avid to make your point, it is funny that you are saying that you are not selling openkore, but in the chat a few minutes ago, you said "i can sell that fix anytime without breaking the GNU licese". Super.

[iMikeLance]

I believe ive been pretty fair within my post dude. Like i said it would be ok to ask for a vip area, where you could give support for players issues etc, also sell your code whatever but change the name of the software, it is not openkore anymore.

After carefully reading the topic i also changed my mind, it is not ok to grab the code of openkore and implement a fix for the server for cash.

About svn stuff i said, you saw what klab quoted "Oh Yeah... Some bad guy removed this part from bRO.pm files without all developers permission."

Well, seams like even "not knowing" how things work, looks like my fears were not so wrong.

I did not wanned to quote it here, but since you are so avid to make your point, it is funny that you are saying that you are not selling openkore, but in the chat a few minutes ago, you said "i can sell that fix anytime without breaking the GNU licese". Super.

Please learn about how svn works and prove me that I removed that from bRO.pm.

I can != I'll do it. Edit: I even said that AFTER announcing that we won't sell anything and that we gave up about that vip area.

Again, you don't know the full story and you're wrong.

[KoreGhost]

We're not selling anything, we will close and delete that topic about that vip area. We will remain offering support in our development and private servers area.

Suddenly a lot of users appeared here interested in helping and supporting this project. I hope you all have fun turning your words into actions instead of asking someone else to do it, unlike many other times that this situation happened with brazilian community.

Sorry iMikeLance, but those words do not match what you and Ghost say in kore.BRO as the message of the Ghost. Want to drop the project drop, the community may well stay a few days without updates, but surely it will be possible as the updates you want to or not.
"(...) Take earful from ADM while Lammer has access to svn is a joke (...)" Ghost Words.

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Desculpe, mas essas palavras não condizem com o que você e o Ghost dizem no kore.BRO, conforme a mensagem do Ghost. Quer largar o projeto largue, a comunidade pode muito bem ficar alguns dias sem atualizações, mas com certeza ela terá atualizações o quanto seja possível, você queira ou não.
"(...)Tomar bronca de ADM, enquanto tem lammer com acesso a svn é uma piada(...)"Palavras do Ghost.

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He even said, took the scolding Klab.

Off to banish a moderator of the forum by the same moderator be Lammer, and am forced to watch as their imikelance updates from the same user in svn, simply because not trust him.

But he said it would close the forum, far from it, the forum will remain online, as well as the Wiki.

Even that will have the right to update the SVN withdrawn by openkore.com, keep the openkore.com.br active, and away from any OpenKore with malicious script, as I always did, only I will not move a finger to help a community that does not help.

pt_BR:

Disse mesmo, tomei bronca do klab.

Fora que bani um moderador do forum por esse mesmo moderador ser lammer, e sou obrigado assim como imikelance a vigiar suas atualizaçãos no svn, pelo simples fato de nao confiar nele.

Mas não disse que fecharia o fórum, longe disso, o fórum continuará online, assim como a Wiki.

Mesmo que venha a ter o direito de atualizar o SVN retirado pelo openkore.com, manterei o openkore.com.br ativo, e longe de qualquer openkore com script malicioso, como sempre fiz, só não vou mais mover um dedo para ajudar uma comunidade que não se ajuda.

[Don Delavitto]

I believe ive been pretty fair within my post dude. Like i said it would be ok to ask for a vip area, where you could give support for players issues etc, also sell your code whatever but change the name of the software, it is not openkore anymore.

After carefully reading the topic i also changed my mind, it is not ok to grab the code of openkore and implement a fix for the server for cash.

About svn stuff i said, you saw what klab quoted "Oh Yeah... Some bad guy removed this part from bRO.pm files without all developers permission."

Well, seams like even "not knowing" how things work, looks like my fears were not so wrong.

I did not wanned to quote it here, but since you are so avid to make your point, it is funny that you are saying that you are not selling openkore, but in the chat a few minutes ago, you said "i can sell that fix anytime without breaking the GNU licese". Super.

Please learn about how svn works and prove me that I removed that from bRO.pm.

I can != I'll do it. Edit: I even said that AFTER announcing that we won't sell anything and that we gave up about that vip area.

Again, you don't know the full story and you're wrong.

If theres a place where i said IMIKELANCE changed bRO.pm then i would have to prove. It could have been, or someone who has something to gain from it.

About the full story, yes your right, but i said i could be wonrg about some point or another since ive been another serv.

Edit: ops i said i might not be the right person, but i still did based on the picture exposed here today.

[Don Delavitto]

Im a fair person with my opinions, what koreghost said its true also, he never submit a malicious script for anyone. But my opinion about the GNU and for openkore still remains.